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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 8, 2009 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: dark star Jr.

A poster referred to Bird song as a replacement to DS when it was retired for a while. I totally agreed with his take appreciated it. I also want to submit "the post-terrapin jam"

More a 90's staple that anything other era but I have been listening to a few and I think this could also be considered Dark Star's little brother. I really like the free form and various lengths of different jams. While 92-95 is considered the down slide of the band they did do many of these jams and a lot of them are really good. I re-listened to the branford show from LA 93 last night and there is a perfect example. Probably the weakest of the Marsalis shows but that post TS jam gets out there.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 8, 2009 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark star Jr.

I'd agree, Bird Song in the '80s/90s was like Little Dark Star - compressed, but had the same spirit. Aren't they in the same key? It's kind of sad that after 7/31/71 there's no Dark Star>Bird Song or vice-versa....
Not sure about the post-Terrapin jams, I haven't heard many but they didn't remind me of Dark Star at all - maybe because my ears are so '70s-tuned - of course by that time they were doing Dark Star again as well.

I remember that Jerry quote - it was the late '80s, someone asked him why they didn't play Dark Star anymore, & he said we don't have to, it's in every song we play.
Which I thought was a strange comment - seemed dead wrong to me - that was exactly the period when the Dead's jamming reached its lowest ebb. But Jerry always put a positive spin on things. (Like when he was told that some of their shows were boring, and he replied that they just wanted to cover the full spectrum of emotional experience!)
I think it was the same interview, he was asked why the Dead didn't do long segues between songs anymore but jumped from one to another - he said they'd been doing segues for years and had done them to death, they'd already tried all the doorways.
If I remember right, when Phil heard that, he just snorted and disagreed, saying there were an infinite number of doorways that the Dead had never gone through yet.

Of course, in '89 the Dead did start getting more adventuresome again....

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2009-03-08 20:23:47

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Poster: barongsong Date: Mar 8, 2009 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark star Jr.

No I agree the post Terrapin jams of the 90's were not in any way like Dark Star but in my view especially before Brent passed they started to take on a new jam form into the ether that might have been.
However for me my thinking is that they never really got back to the jam level they were experiencing when Brent was there but my personal knowledge is limited after 91 for the most part.
Yup that's the interview and agree with every point made there. Gotta wonder if it might have been the wake up call for the 89-90 revival.

This post was modified by barongsong on 2009-03-08 20:38:10

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Mar 8, 2009 9:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark star Jr.

"Bird Song" is in E. "Dark Star," "Wharf Rat," and "Cryptical Envelopment" are all in A, and I always thought you could overlay the jams from any of those three and they'd blend pretty smoothly...

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2009-03-09 04:25:18

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Poster: pHagz Date: Mar 8, 2009 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Birdsong JR

try this one... the DARK STAR was from 2 days prior.
What a great vacation weekend !... Blondies, Spangers, and the Shattuck Hotel.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1984-07-15.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.96152.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: barongsong Date: Mar 8, 2009 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dark star Jr.

Yes the Jam in Bird Song was very Dark Starish and in many ways more intense but condensed jam then the later Dark Stars. I recall an interview somewhere in the late 80's where Jerry {I think} said we don't really need to play Dark Star Because it's in many of the songs we play, or something to that extent. Ashes where are you confirmation.

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